candidate but i am talking about what is attractive about john mccain in the beginning was he a straight talk to the press. >> not a lot of specifics about dealing with the real hard things. look, the big challenge the country faces now are all subsumed by the fiscal cliff because we need tax reform, we need entitle. reform, we need to deal with the debt and deficit and job creation in the short-term and focus on to the big issues like energy and immigration but they are all hard. >> rose: don't you think that the public, i am asking, i am real naive about this, they want boldness, they want leadership, they want someon someone that wl level with them or not? in the end you think the evidence that the road to believing what the naivete of me is strewn with the bodies of defeated politicians. >> well i am not sure anyone i can think of has tried at the level of specificity that would be required in this case. i don't know that we have any strewn bodies to look at. >> in other words -- >> the bodies nobody would even try it. >> it would be mice if a michael bloomberg had run or somebody co